I rarely race, don't care. Because narcissistic people want to get validation from somewhere/someone that theyre special/different and if they cant get it legitimately theyll lie, cheat, and steal to do so. Introducing a horrible measure that addresses a problem that doesnt exist, and subsequently retracting it following mass protest is not exactly what I would call revolutionary change. We are both lighter riders and find the w/kg categorisation system frustrating (unfair even) but its what we have at the moment I think most people feel like they have a right to be competitive but this simply is not the case and ifRead more . If people want to cheat, they will and can do so in any uncontrolled situation. I wouldnt personally do it since it throws off training metrics and just isnt true. To change your profile to have to log in on the Zwift website and then edit the profile there. I never reverse weight doped. Simply put, the system cannot measure weight it can only measure power, so for racing, peoples weight should be disregarded by that I mean, just as everyone in a zwift academy race has the same bike, they should be given the same weight , then it is a race based on FTP banded categories with point based promotion. Yes, there are plenty of variabies, but power is power. In fact, you can change a workout on Zwift about as fast as you can U-turn a bicycle on a real hill. Thanks! What stone have you been living under? Theres also fitnesssyncer.com that is free up to 4 sync services. So its not that easy for light people to hide in the pack and benefit from the draft in Zwift, which is half the reality (in many ways its easier IRL). Heres an idea: Take weigh out of the equation. Read on for our guide on how the app works, how to get set up, and how to analyse your racing. Thats a good thing. Stick a few more kgs on to stop you getting upgraded, would that get you a ban? Id say physics does! I am racing in the Cs finishing in the 40-50s but there are 30 + racers ahead of me posting watt/kilo of A, and strong B racers. Racing the As resp. seeing a riders weight in ZP and any changes made to the reported weight may help internet stalkers feel better about their poor race performance but it doesnt actually help identify cheats. Or theyll ride races 1-2 categories below their actual W/kg so they can still win and feel like that theyre legends. The guy who got first weighs 106kg on strava but 45kg and only 411 on zwift. Then save your ride and log out. Exactly. Garmin sets your zones based on your maximum heart rate, while Zwift defines it as 76 to 90 percent of your Functional Threshold Power (FTP), which is the highest power you can sustain for 20 . Threshold HR is around 151 bpm. She can crank but her w/kg is low. Privacy Policy, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More). I may try it just to see what difference it makes. Put simply, ZwiftPower is a community-driven website that complements the Zwift app. If you're putting out enough power, then you can make your way up the ranks and keep on racing. No race Chester worth their salt pops in and changed weight ahead of a race, what they do is post the wrong weight and leave it there. How does it work? Privacy Policy, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More). That a cat rider may win a d race but on zwiftpower they will be DQd for not riding an A race. Though our intent is to protect potentially vulnerable users by removing labels that can trigger unhealthy behaviours, we also hear the concerns of the racing community. I rode outside last night, and Im sure I will again soon. As there is no official A+ CAT there is nothing to worry about, but if there were, I would be right between A and A+. Now I know it is a thing. You can record your weight n height n have it verified by experts etc up to five minutes before an event. Its also why the Zwift Transparency Facebook group was created, where racers post videos of themselves weighing in using a particular protocol which makes it difficult to fake your numbers. Bath If its a big hill, well then w/kg has us equalised. However, insecure Freds jumpingRead more , I am new to Zwift, but I do wonder how it is youll see a bunch of people finish at the front of a D race at 4-5 W/kg. Everything you need to know about the third-party Zwift results and analysis website. Visit our corporate site (opens in new tab). As Zwift racer James Eastwood so aptly put it, The community dont want to see peoples weight they want fair racing.. In fact, if in a long ride your weight could change by more than 1kg over the course of that one ride!!! . IRL I am 85kgs and cant pretend to be 65kgs. Yet the lesson is clear if you want to win, even on flat courses, have or claim a very low weight. the lighter rider has to ride much harder to stay in the groups with a few big guys cruising along. But Its hard to confirm whether or not its transmitting the weight to Zwift. I understand if someone has a banner day or just bumped up out of upper C to lower B. It doesnt appear that people are abiding by the categories. Have you ever compared numbers for calories burned, power output and even elevation ridden for a Zwift ride uploaded to Strava? Daniel has reported from the world's top races, including the Tour de France and the spring Classics, and has interviewed many of the sport's biggest stars, including Wout van Aert, Remco Evenepoel, Mark Cavendish, Demi Vollering, and Anna van der Breggen. Todd_S (Todd S) March 12, 2015, 3:09am #4 I'm new to the app. ZwiftPower FAQ We're sure you have several questions about ZwiftPower and what it is. We mentioned categories earlier as one of the ways in which you can search through your results and statistics, but they're also a method by which you get sorted into races. And atRead more . I agree Paul great idea. If you are on the lighter side, try picking some climbing races. If you gave the power, it will come out. Some races (many, in fact) on Zwift work exactly like that. As an ambitioned A Racer with no smart scale, I stick to the higher end of the spectrum when setting my Zwift weight once a week. triathlon). Noob question though, whats the etiquette around weighing with kit on or off. What anyone wants in any game or competition is to feel its fair, and as they look to make changes going forward, I hope people at Zwift always keep asking themselves this question: How can Zwifters see these races are fair?. IfRead more . bottom line for me, its a virtual training world, a virtual hammer isnt the same as a real hammer. With Zwift control is difficult (in getting Zwifters to enter their accurate) wait. But I also did it because I knew it was great practice! If someone dopes so they do 4w/kg then they should be racing with other people who do 4w/kg. Hitting G on your keyboard will do it, or swipe up on iPhone or iPad, etc then tap the graph button. Two months ago he had a magic weight loss on zwift. However, I have a lighter and faster son that smokes me head to head. 2. IMHO, enforcing in-category entry for races will be a quick, easy and effective change. Why try to force IRL parameters that can not be enforced. I am alleging that weight cheating is endemic in zwift, especially among those who care about winning. Heres how it works. Hopefully ZHQ will take a harder look the changes that have been proposed over the past year or so. As for the weight, I weight 190lbs, (86Ks) I put in 190lbs. I recently won a C race, but it didnt feel like winning as I knew there were 2 categories faster. Yes, but hopefully the system would be designed so, if drop a category then begin doing well, you get upgraded again! So what! Goodness. why because of weight, not power. Doing this will bring up a box at the bottom of the browser showing a web address something similar to: https://s3-fit-prd-uswest2-zwift.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/000000/a2e1b7f8-27610843. If thats the norm, then I really dont see theRead more . But many people (including myself) prefer categorized races because we want to have a chance to actually battle it out for a win. If so, that makes sense to me and I can absolutely see the point of that. Leave the setting unchanged and climbs often feel challenging. But youre not affecting anyone elses experience. I have tended to notice that a significant number of powerful zwifters real world Strava performances pale in comparison to their online achievements. Context, Tim, context! its only cheating myself, instead I would prefer to spend that 2 painful hours doing something honestly and feel proud of it than zooming through it in sub 60m and not reap the same benefits (or in my case, pain). Zwift Insider makes a small commission on purchases made from these links, so please shop through them to support our efforts. I may of course be wrong, and these are all true weights, but Id be very surprised if that were the case, in the races where this matters, riders have to submit a private youtube weigh-in video <2 hrs before the race. A strict w/kg classification isnt perfect. Good question. (Image credit: George Marshall / Zwift) The first thing you notice when the flag drops, is Zwift racing is so much harder than your run of the mill bike race . For the time being, height and weight will remain visible on ZwiftPower. Can someone answer why we need the different categories? Whilst this might be the case, as Eric implies in flat races light weight riders have to work harder to stay in touch with the heavier riders in the bunch. People still rode at B level pace in a C group. Share your thoughts below, and you may also wish to share those thoughts on the actual forum post. Okay, I now see in ZP where it has my minimum racer category (B) in my profile based on my last race, so I can choose B or A going forward. Share your thoughts below! I ride B category races & never podium but have been puzzled as I always seem to have a higher w/kg than most of the other riders in the race. Im quite heavy, at about 85kgs, but also 183cms tall (and 52 years old). Certainly it impacts the accuracy of race performance and results. It does the job as described. however 2 riders at the same w/kg, heavier riders have the advantage on flats & descents: https://zwiftinsider.com/wkg-tests/. Not everyone has the same HRmax. Hi Using HRM is difficult as well as you max HRM changes with age mine is 159 flat out but I am over 60. Have you considered age category racing. Ive lost 2.2kg over a 6 hour ride due to carb loading before, and burning that and hence losing a lot of water weight during the ride. The race I did had all categories racing together with a mass start, so the categories felt arbitrary as my place was not within my chosen category but across the whole field anyway. Its more fun and engaging that way, for me at least. are clay hart and sally flynn still married; composite chart 12th house; tupperware party points; st francis of assisi school jobs If you set your weight high enough that you fail to do well you will drop in the categories. Dont worry about your weight fluctuating through the week and remember you gain 0.5kg by drinking a half-litre bidon and lose it again through sweat (and by going to the toilet). The only place where being heavy helps is on the decent, which are almost all short (except Ventoux and Alpe de Zwift), and as a heavy guy (85kgs) I need to recover on the decent. The easiest way to qualify for a higher category is to cut weight. Frankly I struggle to believe these are real. Thats why there are no top 40 Cat C riders in 70-75Kg range. Not too many people actually want to see other peoples height or weight except to be able to verify race results are reasonable. Plus imagine how bigRead more . I still have no sprint kick so Im never winning anything anyway. i was just having a similar discussion with my old lady about watts and weights, etc. I have just accepted that at my height I will always be heavier than the average cyclist. Category systems are complex beasts, of course, I agree, people can have fun with weight doping and such aslong they dont enter competitive races. I have been cycling since I was a kid and now close to 50. The algorithms very much help heavier riders in descents, which gets forgotten when all we discuss is climbing. Zwif: your ultimate guide Racing on the Zwift virtual platform has only increased, with the professionals getting in on the act, too, via the Zwift Tour for All, the Virtual Tour of the Gila, and e-races organised by Team Ineos. Thanks (Example: if your FTP is 300 watts and you weigh 75kg, your FTP w/kg would be 300/75, or 4 w/kg.). If I were to drop say a kg obviously the watts required would not change to keep at the speed of the group andRead more , Youll go faster at a lighter weight on the flats. Im curious to see this summer if I can do the numbers outdoors as I push out on Zwift but I cant even think of a road to use for 30 mins without stop signs, pot holes, lots of traffic, etc. Zwift doesnt like this and disqualifies him on Zwift power. Im older heavier and relativily fit. My last ride I spotted 35kg lad who last week was 56kg. On the flats and descents she crushes her w/kg field. You do you. There was a problem. Why not ride to your strengths? I was told that was possible but I couldnt see how. Even some of the regulated weight rides will give 2kg leeway. I do ZHR Masters on a Tuesday night. A recent Crit City A Race is a very good example of this: I finished in the front pack, sprinting it out for 9th place. Youre having fun winning (or nearly winning) C races! Im 70 inches tall and 156 pounds right now vs 166lb on Jan 1. In theory (at least) weight dopers could game the results based categories as well. It's harder than real racing. I lost some weight during these few months and gained on FTP Now facing going to C and not getting any good results within the category, Eric, thanks for bringing this to light. if youre on zwift and intentionally cheating to get whichever fake virtual badge or win whichever fake virtual place in a race, then youre real-life literal loser. But without any hard and fast rules, we cant say anything is illegalat least for certain races. I am about to hit the four year mark on Zwift. You should do much better at your actual weight in that case. Have you considered drinking during a race? This isnt IRL racing it is e-racing. Hi, very impressive w/kg at 65. Would achieve the same thing. As we said in the first post, Assuming race organizers can access the data via ZwiftPower, and the site includes simple tools for spotting potential weight or height dopers (perhaps flagging those who made dramatic changes recently), then hiding weight and height data from the public should work swimmingly.. I mean I never lied about my weight, I am a very light rider working and eating hard to get some extra pounds. points based), riders can win by any margin any number of times and remain in their category so long as they do not exceed category limits. Weight doping is a key challenge for cycling esports to overcome, and its one reason why many big races (e.g., those with prize money) require riders to show up and weigh in on-location in a supervised environment. would that be cheating then ? If they keep riders from competing in categories below their ranking, it will reduce the number of sandbaggers and cruisers. The rule set for the categories is so simple yet Id bet >99% dont understand it, to my knowledge cyclingRead more . 1. People can be far to either direction im 25 and my max that I have hit is 217. Maybe with a KICKR Climb it might be possible. I have been frustrated with the GC results in the current Tour of Watopia series. Eric runs Zwift Insider in his spare time when he isn't on the bike or managing various business interests. As a low to mid-cat rider, ImRead more . Zwift essentially encourages people to be less than truthful about their weight. This site contains affiliate links to Amazon, Wahoo, and other brands. But It doesnt mean that that person is going to be the person riding the bike on the trainer during the race does it. Monthly weigh ins arent perfect but they are better than no weigh ins. Seeing someone race cat A/B on Zwift and then be at the back of the age group pack in a local tri/ bike race canRead more , I understand what you are saying, but the average racer who can legitimately churn out x watts/ kilo for minutes on end will be doing more with that than just being a zwift warrior (if they are getting onto the road to really ride and not just commute), and, traffic lights or not, their real-world rides will at least give resemblance to their zwift output, even if only for certain segments at a time. There is no cat C rider at 58kg who has a hope in hell of beating me in any race. You could attend races where all categories go together (same start, all riders visible) for a while if you find that to be more fun See https://zwiftinsider.com/how-does-zwift-calculate-my-speed/, I think if a racer doesnt want to cat up in order to keep winning in their current cat, she or he would likely just go the traditional sandbagging route (as others have suggested here). The winners are almost always people with recorded weights sub 70kgs, more typically 65kgs, even 59! You must be a much better person than me, because thats something I will Never make peace with. As some others already mentioned, the bodyweight tends to oscillate over the week and even the day. The race categories end up looking something like this (taken from the current Tour of Watopia race events): ZwiftPower, home of official race results for community races, adds some pure wattage breakpoints to the above list to help lightweight riders stay competitive. Tough to recover after attacks in a race when youre always near maxing out. Think of ZwiftPower, then, as something similar to Strava, only entirely Zwift-focused, and free! As soon as I start pedaling Im pretty much into threshold (around 170bpm). We like this move from Zwift. You enter a real race,out in the world, you are ready to finish in the top 20 for your best result of your life,then out of the blue a dirt bike rides past you goes tabletop and crossesRead more . Unless a youth rider, height is generally going to remain the same. How Do I Change My FTP On Zwift? Cyclingnews is part of Future plc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. Zwift lets you adjust the difficulty of your workout, before or even during your ride. What you see a lot are riders who are (claiming) to be really light with decent but not exceptional watts. Weight doping is only a serious issue when its done in competition. So its not Zwift putting you at a disadvantage but the situation itself, just as you would be in the real world in that situation. Ive done multiple races where my main goal was to keep the watts as low as possible while hanging with the front group. It's possible to check just about any kind of Zwift result using ZwiftPower, with the website sortable by leagues, race series and segments. Congratulations John on your retirement and Zwift is a great retirement present. Eric runs Zwift Insider in his spare time when he isn't on the bike or managing various business interests. Thats the graph. Honest and goal driven. We really like the sound of this: In the future, well continue to bring potential product ideas and changes to members of the Zwift Racing Community, with the hope that youll embrace this as a collaborative effort to help shape the experience. Then weigh yourself, and open Zwift, and see if it reflects the change. You lose 10 liters of sweat during a medium long ride? It's a real community hub. It certainly didnt feel like I had taken it easy when IRead more . It lets Zwift racers and race organisers track results and check out all the details of the races they've participated in, as well as monitoring and analysing their data. ur allowed +/- 5% weight for pro zwift races so +/- 0.5 kg is not going to make a difference :p. add weight if u want to stay in D. lower weight if u wanna move to C. up 2 u. Adjusting Difficulty Before Your Workout. But your point is correct, if someone has a good string of results, upg them regardless of cat limits, and zwift needs to lock them out of cat in-game for it to be effective. Nekkid and I only update my weight in zwift if it moves more than a KG. Some people are clearly living in a fantasy on zwift. As well as original reporting, news and feature writing, and production work, Daniel also runs The Leadout newsletter and oversees How to Watch guides throughout the season. Zwift excessively rewards the athlete for being light and small. Fluctuations of a few percent would be tolerated and percent change would be displayed on ZP. On Zwift I look suspicous. But I will, and Ill get hammered and hopefully improve. How do you actually update your weight on ZP?? Do you believe weight doping (reverse or otherwise) is a big problem in Zwift racing, and if so, what can be done about it? Im about to end up in the same situation (last races at 3.99, 3.98 and 3.99 W/kg) and Im not really worried about being promoted to A. Im the opposite. It must be very hard to do with many, many lines of code to implement otherwise it wouldve been done by now, In reality these changes would not (will not) impact cheating. Hopefully when it comes time to hide height and weight from public view on ZwiftPower, Zwift will have some really useful tools in place which help race organizers do their jobs more quickly and effectively, while promoting wellness in the racing community. Head to http://my.zwift.com/ and hover your mouse cursor over the 'Download' button under one of your activities. As a Triathlete, I have a different perspective when racing and riding on Zwift because the vast majority of Zwifters (according to Zwift and Strava) are only cycling; whereas Im also training by Running and Swimming. I wont do and will rather try my very best to compete with the As. If I wanted to win I just drop my weight to 65kgs 350w/65kgs is a lot better than 350w/85kgs, of course 350w/65kg is better than 350w/85kg, its a massive increase in w/kg. light guys categorically do NOT have an advantage on the flats vs heavier guys, assuming both riding at same w/kg, heavy guy WILL be going faster on Zwift. This clearly shows the power of the Zwift blob it impacts more than just drafting. 1 - Manually Set Your FTP Let's say you already know your FTP, then you can go into Zwift and manually change it to whatever you'd like. 0.5kg discrepancy either side is actually quite small. The license would be needed to participate in ranked races, however if you dont have a license, other races would be available to participate in. It lets Zwift racers and race organisers track results and check out all the details of the races they've participated in, as well as monitoring and analysing their data. I think that point based system is an improvement, but it doesnt address the weight issue. Zwift should offer a Validated Racer package for a slight premium over normal membership. I am 42 years-old with a HRmax of ~169 bpm. A thank you to Zwift HQ for listening to the feedback from the racing community and taking action. stop worrying about whatRead more . It does not stop cheating at all. See how you can support Zwift Insider! That's it! On a tablet or smartphone, you can download the. All this makes me laugh. plain and simple. Some weight dopers are obvious and blatant other times its much less egregious. Now you'll have to head over to ZwiftPower.com and register there. What if you are super committed and gain the weight in real life just so you can stay in the category , Excellent posts on perhaps the most serious non-hardware problem in Zwift right now. MyRead more . This covers name changes as well as weight/height changes during an event. And as well as your race results, you can check your distance ridden, total metres climbed, power peaks from one second up to 75 minutes, and more besides. So am I a super-drafter, the king of indoor efficiency? I think one of the biggest issues with weight (and height) in Zwift is that you get punished really hard for something you only have limited control over. Just from riding regularly I went from 166 FTP to 187 in 800 miles over a 2 1/2 months. indispensabile essere sinceri nel dichiarare il proprio peso , per se stessi e per il rispetto degli altri . As long as people are using reasonable weight/height and arent cheating or changing it drastically all the time (my scales autoupdate my weight, so mine changes once a day, but by small increments), Im much more interested in being able to see the weight of my teammates so I can properly plan my TTT lineup than I am the weight of my competitors. Everyone races at the same weight/height. You have lowered your weight and skewed your power graph so it is inaccurate. To move up to the next rank, ZwiftPower will take 95 per cent of your 20-minute average w/kg figure from your previous three races. (a is tough and im struggling at max h/r for most of the race).Ive gone from 87kgs to 80 kgs in this time and feel fitter than ever. There is no progression from lower to higher categories through placement. Would love your thoughts, please comment. Finally, just head back to ZwiftPower and click 'Connect to my Account'.
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